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Posted by AlmostWitch137 on 2010-04-20 21:09:43 |
| no matter how hard i try, i just cant stay away from this place. SO many times have i been by just to check my messages and couldnt help clicking the "message board" and so many times have i had to "bite my tongue" so to speak. i've been DYING to put my two cents in on a lot of things. and kept my mouth shut because i know this community hates when i dont sugar coat things to protect the feelings of the ignorant. also, i still see a lot of newbies, and im seeing a lot of complaints about said newbies. but not a lot of people are offering to remedy the problem of ignorant newbies. keep in mind, we were all ignorant newbies at one point. SO. i find myself again. offering my services as an occult librarian, (in the form of free .pdf format eBooks) as a mentor, offering my wiccan and neo-pagan knowledge and experience, and even just giving my 2 cents on the message board, and answering any questions. comon people, we've gotta help the newbies! not bitch about them (i mean hell im not going to be overly nice and sugarcoat everything for them, but im not gonna be a mega bitch either) OH and to those of you who think i was a megabitch before? you havent SEEN megabitch yet. that was just me being honest. |
| Posted by Raito9 on 2010-04-20 22:57:47 |
| I get what your saying Almost. When I come across a newbie, I send them to religioustolerance.org, which has a wonderful wiccan section. But, we must admit, some newbies just dont want to try. I have come across a few who are eager to learn, and really do try. But we do occasionally get the ones who dont care at all and are just in it for the magic. Perhaps one of us should post the same message weekly, directing the newbies to a place where they can get the basics down first on wicca, and then come back and ask questions. As people post, the message board moves, and some people dont scroll all the way down to read past topics. So one that is always at the top might catch the eyes of the newbies. Perhaps we should be more gentle with how we address them. Instaed of newbies, we might try a nicer version of the word. Newcomers, perhaps? Just a suggestion. If no one wants to, then I'll do it myself. But you are right, Almost. With the way we talk about newbies, we might be scaring them off. And we dont want that! :( How mean of us.... |
| Posted by redtigerlotus on 2010-04-21 09:11:23 |
| i have been practicing wicca since i was a kid but i am what yall would call a newbie to this site.i have always been a loner so i can understand why people may look at certain things different.even in wicca there are many diff people that worship different gods so unlike with other religion to me wicca is the only one that doesnt say well u got to to worship this god or u go to hell or wherever.now i am not trying to be mean or anything but like u said there was a time when we were all newbies and yall know how it is to come out about it.when some of these newcomers log onto the site and post messages on the board asking for help or just curious about certain things i dont think its right to act like you know everything and tel them how its is.think about it alot of us wouldnt tell our familys because of that same reason.they come here for support and a better understand bc they cant get it from their families and for them to turn around and come on here and be called ignorant just imgaine how that makes them feel.afters years of being called stupid for it anyway,and yes i know there is a difference between ignorant and stupid but to them i can imagine its just as hurt full.almost witch i know we have prob had a spiff and i know u have been practicing for a while and i think its really nice of u to offer you help but just try to be a little more patient with these newcomers.they turned here bc no one else would listen.lets poke our ears out and listen for them.i understand they dont know alot and it may frustrat some people but thats what this religion is about helping and loving other like there are in our own family.i am not asking people sugar coat things or anything but just try to be more understand and more caring about ther courage it took them to coem here blessed be |
| Posted by AlmostWitch137 on 2010-04-21 14:58:55 |
| yo, redtigerlotus. in no way was i even being rude, or condescending on newcomers, so back off a bit. all's this post was about is me, yet again, offering my help to anybody who needs it. i dont give a ratsass if we had a "spat" disagreement doesnt mean disrespect. i mean, good goddess! |
| Posted by Raito9 on 2010-04-21 19:18:38 |
| Redtiger, you pretty much just said what Almost already has. She said we need to be more patient with them and be more understanding. Instead of complaining about them, help them. I have to disagree with you here, Red. You said Almost acts like she knows everything. I think this is just your opinion, because I dont think she does. She knows more than you and I, but no one can claim to know everything about wicca. Not even the most experienced. Give Almost a break. She's not a bad or arrogant person, she's just a little annoyed. In your post, you seemed a little annoyed and some mean things too. See what being annoyed does? We have all recognized that we need to help the newcomers and be more understanding. Arguing over how it was said doesnt really do us much good. |
| Posted by CasperHawke on 2010-04-22 00:34:06 |
| Would it be bad form for me to note that while this dialog was going on that I connected with a newbie and actually talked to her? after a few brief messages back and forth, I pointed her in the way of Dragon Magick, which seemed to be where she was heading. All I do is ask them what they really want. I am not saying that it is all cupcakes and clouds. I am saying that when I started, someone showed me patience and understanding. And even though some of these people do get on my nerves with their ignorance, their ignorance exists because no one has taught them. Yell at me if you want. But if you want to learn about magick, shouldn't you go to a place where magickal people hang out? |
| Posted by AlmostWitch137 on 2010-04-22 00:51:35 |
| okay. firstly? no. it wouldnt be wrong. secondly? thats what im saying. lord and lady give me strength but im pretty sure i didnt stutter when i offered my help, yet again, to anybody who wants it. wasnt my idea to re-direct them to religioustolerence.whatever or what not, but hell, since nobody here seems to be asking questions? i see nothing wrong with directing them to a source of information. considering here? there is no written information other than what has been previously discussed by our members, and lately hasnt covered a lot of information. yes. we're here to offer advice, and what not, but if there are people afraid to ask questions? afraid to appear ignorant (you shouldnt never be afraid to say you dont know anything about something, thats how people know you need help learning!) then give them a site where they can passively search for information, since they cant actively take a roll in their own education by asking knowledgeable members. its better than having people come in and go "im new. where do i start?" because THATS just laziness. but since we cant fix that? when somebody goes "im new. where do i start?" ratio said "here's a good place to start. get readin'" an then i offered my services with my own accumulated mass of knowledge, and my free ebook collection (300+ .pdf format books) so. since we dont have an organized mass of collective written knowledge other than our rag-tag collection of obscure topics, religious...whatever toleranceblah blah at least has some information people can read. you know, with headlines, and subtitles, and its organized! |
| Posted by redtigerlotus on 2010-04-22 09:22:34 |
| see this is why i hate emails or texts or whatever ,your not there to witness someones body language so u cant fully understand how they mean something when they say it.i was not trying to be mean or disrespectful in anyway i clearly said i think it is really nice of almost to offer to help the newcomers(guess no one saw that)the only reason i said we might of had a spat before was just me trying to say that i wasnt trying to mean because of it or disprespect.i also wasnt pointing directly at almost when i said some people want to act like the know it all when truth be told no one will ever know it all.i wasnt pointing fingers or trying to disrespect to almost in any way shape or form so i am sorry if it was taken that way wasnt meant to be.all i was saying is i see some people(not pointed at almost)get frustrated when talking to them and instead of getting worked up take time to listen to them thats all i was saying.i was simply trying to offer advice just like everyone else is and now i feel like i am being jumped on for just making a statement that wasnt even meant in a mean way.hell before i ever said anything i put i wasnt trying to be mean in anyway.like i said i have been practicing for a while but i have never talked to other people about it or went to any sites or anything before so u can consider me a newby to that aspect.so i can understand where the newbys are coming from and thats why i offered some advice and out there how it may make them feel.i understands the courage it takes for a new person to do this.i was told by my family for years that i was the devil i was evil u name it so coming here takes balls to do.i see alot of new people ask questions and some of the times the people answering them gets frustrated bc it is like teaching a two year old to do something.i understand its hard but if you think about it we was all like that once to.all i was trying to do was help tell some people how it feels to a newby .see one of the reasons why i liked wicca so much was bc the people where so open and caring to one another and i am not getting that right now.a bit of advice and dont take this the wrong way the next time someone offers advice before u get ur panties or underwear whatever in a bunch lol.stop and see if you really understand what that person is truley trying to say.blessed be |
| Posted by redtigerlotus on 2010-04-22 09:34:16 |
| and to be honest when i seen the headline"sigh"i thought almost was going threw a rough spot in her life or was needing some help so i wanted to offer my blessings and good energy to her.i am not being a bitch like everyone thinks i am was just trying to tell yall how it may feel to a newcomer.the only thing that i meant directly to almost was the fact they may not like to be called ingorant thats it,but i didnt mean in in a rude way |
| Posted by Lunarsage on 2010-04-24 12:53:37 |
| I'm actually a "newbie" to this site and I'm a little lost. I've been practicing something similar to Wicca since i was very young, and only recently discovered that i could... how should I put this... make it official. The problem is, I'm not sure where to start. I mean, is there an initiation ceremony? Do i just decide to be part of this wonderful religion, and just am? Please help. Considering the argument, I agree with Raito. Really, it's JUST a misunderstanding. And a little annoyance can go a REALLY long way. I've read through the whole chain, and really, please forgive all. We are all part of this. Arguing never solves anything. By this reply, i don't wish to offend anyone. Conflicts bother me, and I just hope I'm not one of those "ignorant newbies" by posting my two cents. Blessed be. |
| Posted by redtigerlotus on 2010-04-24 14:06:09 |
| yes hun i agree it is a very big misunderstanding thats why i say i hate texts or emails because ur not there to hear the peoples tone or see their body language so it can be easliy mistaken for something its not.i have been practicing since i was young to i am what they call a soliatary witch.i dont have a coven or anything i pretty much all by myself.i never had to ahev and intianion(damn i cant spell lol)to be wicca.also there are some many different types of wicca so many different types of gods and godess so no way is a wrong one really.being wicca is like being anything else chritians or buddism if it feels right and u feel like ur whole and all warm or however it makes u feel then u know thats what u are.there are many different gods that people belive in so besides that i just think we are people that are more connected with nature. i see the breeze of the ocean at night as a gift from the goddess the sun that shines down on you as a gift liek it was placed here just for u.do you kinda of understand where i am coming frm lol.everyone is different so everyone has different ways of looking at it.it just depends on what u feel.if you have any questions or would just like to chat feel free to message me.i dont know everythign no one ever will know it all but i know somethings and hey maybe we can teach each other new things lol. |
| Posted by CasperHawke on 2010-04-25 11:23:02 |
| my bad. I had not read all of the posts on the rest of the message board. We all have good points. It seems the question is, what do you do when you tell a person where to pick up the materials to broaden their education, and they choose to sit on their butt and do nothing? Am I understanding that correctly? Example. I have a student that desires to connect with their element. I have given them every ritual and meditation I know to connect with their inner pool of tranquility. Yet, each time they come back and say that they feel unsatisfied and incomplete. When I ask what their needs are, they just tell me that they want to connect with their inner element and feel a sense of not quite connecting with something that is vital to their existence. My heart cries with the pain of such a memory, as I was once like that. So I keep trying to connect with them, but it seems as though what they want is for someone to just give them the answer without any effort on their part. At such times I am at a loss of what to do, having exhausted my supply of magickal knowledge. I advise the student to seek other teachers that are more qualified than I am to answer their questions. And I am then accused of abandonment, (which is a serious rule violation of the Order I belong to). It is a difficult task for those who teach, because there are some students who believe that their teachers are obligated to do everything for them. For those that make use of their minds and explore the wide variety of help that is offered by everyone here, I applaud you. For those that expect us to give them magick because it appears to be a "cool" thing, it is gifted to those who treat magick with reverence and respect. And for those who ask for guidance, yet never follow the advice given them because the answer requires some level of personal effort and commitment on their part? Shame on you for blaming these kind and generous people who take so much time out of their lives to give you the guidance that you ask for. Everyone that has posted on this particular subject is a decent and honorable person that should be treated with the utmost respect. Each is unique and brings a special quality to the community. Yes I am speaking of redtigerlotus (beautiful name), raito9 (energetic and fun to be around), AlmostWitch137 (almost? more like assuredly!). But I am also speaking of LunarSage - though you may be a "newbie", you have value and your willingness to not turn away shows that you have patience, which is a vital element when you want to learn magick. As I understand it, the real question is how to deal with persons who say they want to learn magick, but are not willing to put forth any personal effort to do so? Yes? No? |
| Posted by redtigerlotus on 2010-04-27 14:56:29 |
| thank you hun.some may have thought i was trying to fight or be rude was not my attentions at all.you have a very caring and gentle soul i like that.also thanks for the comment on my name.took me a while to test it to make sure it fit but once i did i felt stupid bc it seemed like it was there all along lol |
| Posted by FrostVamp on 2010-04-28 09:14:05 |
| I think we're all just a little tense about the site... You know, there should be a website that ranks you by your knowledge... But no, never mind that may not work because people will just google the questions... But HEY that might get them to read something! *laughs* I just wish I had the kind of money and time to do something like that... |
| Posted by Antekkereh on 2010-05-03 15:17:55 |
| i have no problem with newbies that dont know anything at all. I have problems with newbies that dont even try to learn, i understand we were all newbies at one point in time. But they have to understand that we got this far because we want to learn, we reached out. Also, a lot of them I ran into i think need to reexamine themselves and see if Wicca is the right religion for them |
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